I can has PS3?!

[Abraham Smashington]

fucking love that video

[Howard]

How so? Shall I start listing networks that have been compromised in just the past year? Shall we discuss how sloppy IE has been in the past, in regards to their security? Sony got smacked hard because they were more or less new to the network game and didn't do their due diligence. Has this happened to other companies? Yes. Will it happen again? Yes.

[Anderson]

How so? Shall I start listing networks that have been compromised in just the past year? Shall we discuss how sloppy IE has been in the past, in regards to their security? Sony got smacked hard because they were more or less new to the network game and didn't do their due diligence. Has this happened to other companies? Yes. Will it happen again? Yes.

But, you're stepping way from the central issue. Was what SONY did worse than the MS 2005-2006 XBOX shipment issue?

[Abraham Smashington]

I would say so. Having a piece of tech die and having your identity stolen are two completely different things. Good on Howard for never ordering things on line but the fact is Sony fucked up hard. Any network security person can tell you that.

[Howard]

In my eyes? No. They both shipped an inferior product before the necessary tests and due diligence were completed. MS just got caught on the hardware issue first. Sony's error with their network was discovered late. The both screwed up EQUALLY. The difference (for me) is that I already have identity protection in place, so Sony's fuck-up doesn't really hurt me (other than the near month long absence of their network).

[Anderson]

In my eyes? No. They both shipped an inferior product before the necessary tests and due diligence were completed. MS just got caught on the hardware issue first. Sony's error with their network was discovered late. The both screwed up EQUALLY. The difference (for me) is that I already have identity protection in place, so Sony's fuck-up doesn't really hurt me (other than the near month long absence of their network).

It isn't equal. MS fucking up doesn't expose you to having your finances ruined.

[Abraham Smashington]

But wait, when did the xbox lose millions of customers personal information? Seriously? Did that happen? I wasn't a 360 fanboy until about a year after the system came out so maybe it happened then?

[Howard]

I would say so. Having a piece of tech die and having your identity stolen are two completely different things. Good on Howard for never ordering things on line but the fact is Sony fucked up hard. Any network security person can tell you that.

I'm not saying that Sony didn't fuck up (they did). But everyone is acting like this is the worst thing in the world. This is hardly the first time a network has been compromised and won't be the last time one is compromised. I guarantee you that LIVE's turn will happen. It's too big not to happen.

[Howard]

It isn't equal. MS fucking up doesn't expose you to having your finances ruined.

MS has screwed up in the past when it comes to your finances. Not LIVE, but IE.

[BillyG]

[Abraham Smashington]

hahaha.

[Howard]

Just baffles me. MS has had NUMEROUS problems with IE and Outlook. Major security issues over the years. Yet it's Sony getting racked over the coals. Silly.

[Fil]

Dude, come on. Remember the events as they actually happened. How long did X-Box DENY that there was any problem? It went on for MONTHS.

Not really. It's nowhere near the same thing. MS didn't deny, they said they couldn't pinpoint the problem since the internal wheelhouses originated in outside plants. What MS was guilty of was rushing production schedules. But, every company does that.

What SONY did is textbook definition negligence with information that they are LEGALLY REQUIRED to keep protected. While shit happens, MS has a far better track record at keeping that shit secure.

While both of these fuck ups are bad, I have to back up Howard that Microsoft did deny the issue at first.

Microsoft has responded to claims by the BBC's Watchdog programme that it is charging excessive amounts for Xbox 360 repairs, stating that there is "no systemic issue" with the console.
Last night's episode of the consumer affairs show featured two gamers whose Xbox 360 units had broken after just over a year of use, and were told they would have to pay around GBP 80 to get their consoles fixed.
In an official statement issued to GamesIndustry.biz, Microsoft said that the "vast majority" of Xbox 360 owners have had an "outstanding experience" with the console.
But the platform holder went on to concede: "That being said, we have received a few isolated reports of consoles not working as expected.
"It's important to note that there is no systemic issue with Xbox 360 - each incident is unique and these customer inquiries are being handled on a case-by-case basis."
Microsoft has not revealed details of how many Xbox 360 units have been found faulty, but did state that the return rate is "significantly lower" than the CE industry average of between 3 and 5 per cent.
"Customer satisfaction is our highest priority, and we do everything we can to take care of gamers who may be having problems with their consoles," the company said.
"Anybody having an issue with their Xbox 360 console should call customer service immediately so that we can help. Microsoft voluntarily provides customers with a one year manufacturer's warranty in the UK which operates over and above the legally required retailer warranty for all consumer goods."

I can't really defend Sony, they took their time, almost a week, to admit, (Sony says to confirm) that they had been hacked and our information was stolen.

[Matt]

Howard: from my point of view, MS is a known quantity...you EXPECT these issues and kinda roll with them. Sony dropping the ball like this is a shock. This is a new company to experience outrage towards.

[Anderson]

Howard: from my point of view, MS is a known quantity...you EXPECT these issues and kinda roll with them. Sony dropping the ball like this is a shock. This is a new company to experience outrage towards.

Yeah, when they're not installing rootkits on your computer. See! I went off-topic too.