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  • Iggy Horror Thread VIII: Does Aging or Being a Parent Make You More Squeamish?

    I've been mulling this one over for some time. I have always been an avowed gore hound, & rare is the kill that makes me cringe. Used to be, regardless of who the victim was, or the method of their demise (in MOST cases), I could watch Any w/o batting an eye. Lately, though. . . .

    I admit I'm getting a little squeamish in my old age. And this got me to wondering what the cause of that may be. I can think of two possible reasons. One is that, as I get older and acumulate more experience unto myself, my ability to empathize / the onscreen plights (& ultimate demises) of the victims in horro movies has increased. As an admittedly callow & therefore insensitive youth, I couldn't really relate to serious physical suffering, or the concept of one's own mortlity. But as my own gets closer & closer to eye level, it's easier to picture staring it down. I have, in recent years, lost close family members & even a friend not much older than me. I & friends, relatives & co-workers are getting diagnosed with age related maladies (high cholesterol, high blood pressure, type II diabetes, etc.). My work has me dealing with those who have been klled or seriously injured in accidents. My joints creak a hell of a lot more in the morning. I and most of my contemporaries are now parents. And so on. In short, I have sen more of life, and becom more acquainted w/ its end, than I had when I was a youth, and was first developing my taste for horror.

    Or could it be the fact that I now have a child? Lik any parent, I want above all to protect him from harm. And as much as I have advocated the increased use of violence vs children in horror as tearing away one of the last taboos in horror, I find myself, as I'm reading or watching stuff these days, thinking things like: "Shit, I hope he doesn't kill the kid!" They say becoming a parent changes everything. In this regard, at least, I guess they're right. More than any of the other factors I enumerated above, I can relate very strongly to the fear of harm befalling one's child now that I have one of my own. And as much as I applaud the audacity of a filmmaker who's wlling to go there, I admit it makes me squirm.

    None of the above implies I enjoy horror any less. Quite the contrary; I think it adds a new dimenson to my enjoyment of horror, allowing me to finally appreciate it by actually being scared & disturbed once in awhile, which was previously a very rare thing. Since that's what it's supposed to be all about, it doesn't detract from, but adds to my experience.

    So I'm curious what you all have to say about this. Have you noticed either geting older, becoming a parent, or both changing the way you view horror films or books? And has it been a change for the better for you? Or have you noticed anything else (like the tendency toward escalation of the violence, gore or feeling of insecurity in torture porn, for example) changing your experience and making you cringe more? And has any of the above caused you get turned off to horror, whereas you previously ate it all up w/ a spoon & asked for seconds? Is this strictly a young person's genre, and are we no longer the target audience? Is it too loud 9or are we too old)?
    Last edited by IggytheBorg; 11-21-2011, 11:20 PM.
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  • #2
    Being old, the only thing that really scares me is alzheimer.

    Being a parent... well that hasn't changed most of my horror tastes, but yeah, any kid-related violence hits an even bigger nerve than before. Horror, I think I can deal with, because I'm able to detach myself and my link to my kid with a horror story.

    But abduction, violence or murder stories when kids are the victims? Iiiiiiish....
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    • #3
      The only thing my getting older has done is cut down on my time with horror movies, but that's true with all movies really. I only have so many hours in the day, especially with how early I get up for work everyday, so I don't spend much time watching cheesy shitty horror movies. It makes me sad, because that was one of my favorite things in the world to do growing up.

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      • #4
        Like Billy, time's become more of a factor when it comes to watching films in general, let alone horror. Money, too - things are tight, and as I don't have the room for an extensive library of films, I usually rent, but that's only if I have a few bucks to burn and time to kill.

        As to getting older and being a parent, while we don't have kids, we do have a niece. Since I became an uncle, I do find kid deaths a bit more cringe-worthy, but all in all, I don't really notice any major shift. As for being more empathetic to the characters getting slaughtered onscreen, not really. This is probably due to the fact that I know what I'm watching on screen is make-believe (Heather Matarazzo got bled out in Hostel 2, and she was hale and healthy at Chiller Theater a few weeks back. Though Crystal Lake is within driving distance from my house, I know there's no Jason Vorhees ready to hack me to death with a machete, etc.), and most of the characters that are being menaced are usually trespassing in the monster's territory to begin with, fucked with forces beyond their understanding ("C'mon, Julie! Let's raise Cthulhu! It'll be fun!"), etc.

        No, my tastes haven't changed much. If anything, I'm spending more time researching older horror flicks that I missed the first time, or meant to watch many moons ago. I'm also getting more interested in looking at foreign or obscure horror flicks, as I'm burnt out on zombies or anything American studios can offer.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BillyG View Post
          The only thing my getting older has done is cut down on my time with horror movies, but that's true with all movies really. I only have so many hours in the day, especially with how early I get up for work everyday, so I don't spend much time watching cheesy shitty horror movies. It makes me sad, because that was one of my favorite things in the world to do growing up.
          This. Also, nothing makes me squeamish anymore for the most part except for animal cruelty. I can't watch anything relating to that.
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          • #6
            Not that I'm a cold-hearted person, but if Julie smells what's cooking in that layer and still clambers down over the slimy walkways for a peek with Curious Colin... well, she's not doing herself any favours in the sympathy department. Same goes for Colin, meddling with forces beyond his understanding. Bad Colin.

            I highly doubt either of them are in it for the science!

            Otherwise, I've felt more sensitive than most about the gruesome stuff for some time now. I'm not reluctant to admit certain moments are unpleasant or upsetting (because they're horrific!) like a lot of guys are particularly. The way I look at it is - if you're not aware those incidents are scary or disgusting, how can you really appreciate the genre? If they're so desensitized to violence or "terror", is a masked goomba slashing his way across Suburbia any more engrossing than an hour or two of cartoons?

            Experiencing the shock and repulsion of the art-form is a key part of the experience - the force that drives many to seek out such titles in the first place - so why bother if you're numb to it or (perhaps more likely) too afraid to admit it scares you? Obviously that's going to be stating the obvious to cats like yourselves who know your stuff, but it's amazing how many people seem to miss the point entirely.
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            • #7
              So you're saying because it doesn't faze me that I'm wasting my time? I completely disagree with that. I was RAISED on horror films. The first films I remember seeing were horror flicks. And too afraid to admit it? haha, oh Bobby. Poor sweet innocent Bobby....

              I watch them for the same reason people watch wrestling. TO BE ENTERTAINED.
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              • #8
                Well hopefully your horror movies are less homoerotic and oily than wrestling....
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                • #9
                  They are sometimes slightly more homoerotic but definitely less oily.
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                  • #10
                    Everyone's got different speeds/thresholds when it comes to loving a genre, and horror's no exception. Like Rob, I was pretty much a horror fan from the get go, and more for entertainment's sake than anything else. But, as one gets older and more experienced and/or shaped by outside influences, your tastes may change a bit. Which takes us to Iggy's point - he's getting older, he has a kid, he has that connection I really don't have, so watching a child get smooshed will affect us differently. Iggy might think the kid resembles his son or is the same age, which might make him more empathetic. In my case, I have no children, so I'd think it ballsy the filmmakers decided to whack a kid onscreen.

                    I understand Bobby's point, too, but it's a matter of taste and personal thresholds more than anything else. There's a lot of horror flicks out there, and very few are much more than exercises in special effects. Like Rob, those flicks I don't mind as they're for entertainment purposes, often with tongues planted firmly in cheek. Watching some sweet young thing or handsome gent cleft in twain from a new angle or a new weapon nobody would've thought to use before is part of the fun.

                    The better, more artistic films, go in directions few would expect, be it story or kill wise, and have a bit more reverence for the genre and the films that preceded it. Often, those films will ramp up the drama, and deliver on several more levels than a Straight to DVD flick would.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Martin View Post
                      Well hopefully your horror movies are less homoerotic and oily than wrestling....
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                      Originally posted by Abe Smashington View Post
                      They are sometimes slightly more homoerotic but definitely less oily.
                      Lulz

                      The only thing that really gets to me is it seems like older horror your typical kills didn't take FOR-FUCKING-EVER and today's scenes do. Where as in the old school flicks you get a scream out of the victim and a gurgle and that was it. In today's films you get the person giving a whacked out monolog while being killed....

                      Example: Person in some sort of torture device/trap a'la Saw. "AHHHHHHHHH OH SHIT OH FUCK ME OH MY GOD IT'S RIPPING MY FUCKING LEGS OFFFFFF, AHHHHHHHHH OH GOD THERE GOES MY INTESTINES FUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKK PLEASE NO, OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" When you know their dead within seconds of whatever the fuck just killed them.

                      Don't know why but that fucks with me a bit, and it's not so much the gore of it, it's the delayed stretched out suffering. Not sure if that's because of aging, or parenthood, or just having been raised with a different breed of horror.
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                      • #12
                        I don't think aging and maturing (debatable) has made me squeamish so much as it has made me more conscious of the mechanisms at play when viewing a horror film, and as such I appreciate the ones that know how to scare or unnerve in an economic fashion (the old "obfuscation cultivates fear" chestnut).

                        But I will say getting older makes the bullshit detector much more a part of the experience. If it is just gore for the sake of gore, with no redeeming factor (generally speaking, we all secretly hope for a somewhat agreeable return to the status quo) other than sanguine parts and crimson mists, I find it hard to justify wasting my time watching such pointlessness unfurl.
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                        • #13
                          But sometimes gore for the sake of gore makes a movie THAT MUCH BETTER. I'm looking at you Piranha 3D.
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                          • #14
                            Or Martyrs....
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Abe Smashington View Post
                              But sometimes gore for the sake of gore makes a movie THAT MUCH BETTER. I'm looking at you Piranha 3D.
                              It was in service of the tone of the film, so in that context I found the over the top spectacle fitting.

                              I'm talking about watching someone be flayed just to watch them be flayed. No build-up, no nothing. Stupid bullshit anyone can do that has no tension or entertainment value.

                              Like the second half of Martyrs as Martin aludes to.
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