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  • Iggy Horror THread VII: Do Modern INterpretations Do a Disservice to the Vampire Myt

    The idea for this thread, or something very much like it, has been percolating in my mond for awhile now. And two recent developments crystallized my thoughts. Thise developments were a visit to YouTube, and my reading Guillermo de Toro's "The Strain".

    With respect to the former, I'm a big fan of SOme Random Guy's "Marvel/DC parody movies. He has a recent entry that pits Bill Compton of "True Blood" vs. Edward Cullen of "Twilight" against each other in a game show, to see which vampire's life sucks more. Because we all know it's hell on earth to be a vampire, right? *BZZZZZZZ!!!* WRONG, shouts the host. He points out that both of them are forever young and handsome, and both banging beautiful womenminto the bargain. To say nothing of their vampiric abiities, which seem like super powers to us. What, exactly, sucks so bad, he asks? By the end of the segment, he's pricking his own finger, hoping the blood will send one of them into a frenzy & bite him.

    With respect to the latter, as the name implies, it treats vampirism like a disease. IN this case, it's sort of a parasitic worm spread thru a sting by an already infected vampire. There's still a sort of master communal intelligence that they haven't quite explained yet (it's a trilogy, and this is only the 1st volume). There is no supernatural element as such to vampires.

    Make no mistake: I'm a big fan of True Blood, and The Strain is a well written book, and I'll almost certainly see the trilogy tru to its conclusion. But True Blood is compelling because it's cool and sexy more than it is scary (although, that having been said, it's got some pretty scary aspects to it; that British crazy vamp that was stalking Tara, or some of Eric Northman's antics being cases in point). But it's certainly scarier than Anne Rice's books (and I'll admit I liked them thru Queen of the Damned, too). And scary as the idea of a vampirism epidemic claiming all New York in a matter of days may be, its disservice to the myth, IMO, is to remove the supernatural element from the vampire legend.

    See, as I interpret the old style vampire myth, even before Stoker wrote Dracula, it was supposed to be a thing horrible beyond imagining to become a vampire. It turned you into a hideous monster, not a chiseled, sexy hero. And while you lived forever, it was a savage, mindless, evil beast, hunted and shunned by mankind, feeding off them in a vicious, horrible fashion to live. You were a child & tool of Satan at that point, and it was possible to become one only thru living an exceptionally evil life, or the bite of one such. It was not desirable on any level.

    Then along comes Bram Stoker, who gave birth almost single handedly to modern interpretation of the vampire. Or at least, its beginnings. Many have speculated that the eroticism of vampire tles of the period were thinly veiled attempts to titillate the Victorian audiences of the day. But even then, the horror of becoming a thing of evil horrified the morally staid characters and readers of the day at least as much as the unbridled sexuality did. Bad as the rest of the movie may have been, Coppola's reinterpretation got this part right in the scene where Lucy is destroyed. This formerly pure, lovely young woman is changed into a vile, evil, ugly THING, with no vestige of its former self remaining. So while the cracks in the myth's facade were begining to form, it still maintained some of its frightening mystique.

    Fast forward to the Anne Rice vampires (with a brief stop in Hammer territory, and a visit with Frank Langella each upping the eroticism a notch), and we now have sexy vampires making their unabashed debut. I mean, really; did any of us really buy that Louis or Lestat wanted to die that badly? These vampires were beautiful, powerful, graceful beings. Who wouldn't want to be one of them, as evidenced by the fact that sooner or later, seemingly every initially human character in the series eventually was turned? I daresay that in our increasingly morally ambivalent society, the idea of a vampire's un-life being scary just because you have to kill to survive just doesn't cut it as scary any more.

    As for the scientific explanations offered by works like The Strain, part of my deploring this trend is simple prejudice on my part, I'll grant. I simply dislike when an author tries to explain away a perfectly good supernatural myth with science (one reason I doubt I'll ever read anither Dean Koontz book; he's FAMOUS for doing this). BUt more to the point: the vampires are mindless eating machines more than anything else in this book. More like zombies than vampires. And while that's scary in its own right for its own reasons (giving up one's individuality and such), we already had zombie books and movies to fill that niche. It robs vampires of their individuality as a sub genre, IMO. Also, While I am far from religious, the removal of the Christian symbology robs the myth of some of its teeth (pardon the pun). Vampires no longer have a connection to the Devil, with all the terrifying implications that carries. They're just bloodsucking bags of worms, now. Albeit, ones with a communal hive mind of sorts.

    So feel free to disagree, and post your thoughts here.
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    Where I have a problem with vampire books/movies whatever lately is the whole "I'm a vampire but I don't eat people ever because that's wrong." I mean I'm all for a vampire being morally against eating people but the "blood lust" of a vampire should be so overwhelming that it terribly pains them to not feed. It's basically taking the danger out of the beast.

    Now that's not to say that I don't enjoy the human/vampire interactions that some stories present but I think they make them to friendly, so much so that the human never seems to fear being fed upon which is just plain wrong.

    I also can't stand the "science explains it all" method of storytelling as well. It gimps your premise from the start because you're just a cure away instead of "there is no cure."

    One is certainly much scarier than the other for me.
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    • #3
      Vampires are supposed to be little more than animals, driven by unrelenting hunger. Anne Rice made them bisexual. True Blood made them annoying. Twilight made them utterly incomprehensible.

      If I want annoying, incomprehensible bisexuals in my life... then I'll head down to Center City.

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      • #4
        True Blood is absolved by having good violence and nudity. Is The Strain worth my time?
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        • #5
          And fuck Anne Rice. Hard. With a shovel.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Martin View Post
            And fuck Anne Rice. Hard. With a shovel.
            Sideways... with a quarter twist.

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            • #7
              I've read The Strain and the second book in the series and I enjoyed them for what they were worth. I'd just get them from the library.

              As for vampires, there's a great Jhoenen Vasquez short story that turns the whole "wanting to be turned into a vampire" story line on its head. What he does, is fuckin' great. I think it was either in Johnny The Homicidal Maniac or Squee.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by V View Post
                Sideways... with a quarter twist.
                And then she's gotta have a 30 minutes conversation with Ed Hocken as to why he didn't watch the original Dawn of the Dead.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Martin View Post
                  And then she's gotta have a 30 minutes conversation with Ed Hocken as to why he didn't watch the original Dawn of the Dead.
                  And at the half, it's Martin 1... Ed nil.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ed Hocken View Post
                    I've read The Strain and the second book in the series. I enjoyed them for what they were worth. I'd just get them from the library.

                    As for vampires, there's a great Jhoenen Vasquez short story that turns the whole "wanting to be turned into a vampire" story line on its head. What he does, is fuckin' great. I think it was either in Johnny The Homicidal Maniac or Squee.
                    Which is what I'm doing. Just made reservation on it.

                    Jhoenen Vasquez is awesome. My mind melted when I learned that Invader Zim was conceived for kids from 5 to 7.
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                    • #11
                      Excellent choice for a thread once again, Ig, and something I've been thinking about of late (might give The Strain a spin for shits and giggles, but that's besides the point).

                      Forgive the puns that will surely come up in this rant, but modern vampires, with few exceptions, suck. They've become the poster children of all things emo ("Oh, woe is me, I must kill to survive, I am overwhelmed by guilt, I yearn for a love that can never be mine, I can never see the sun, wahhh, wahhh, wahhh."). Geez, things that bad for ya, toothy, go outside and play in broad daylight, would ya?

                      Seriously, what the hell happened to the good old days when the really scary vampires were the ones who DELIGHTED in their power? Dracula, the be-all, end-all of vampires seldom, if ever, whined about any of that shit. In fact, he saw most of humanity as naught but a food source or future slaves, save the occasional smoking hot gal or gals he'd deign to make his bride(s) for eternity. He had that aristocratic air of superiority about him; in short he revelled in being a vampire and in a weird way, enjoyed the games of cat-and-mouse he'd play with Van Helsing.

                      The first modern day parallel that came to mind was Frost in the first Blade flick - there's a wonderful scene where he sits in with the vampire elite, led by personal fave Udo Kier, and the two of 'em lay their philosophical cards on the table. In a wonderful 180 on the classic vs. modern trends, Udo, as the elder Dragonetti, favors working with and living 'mongst the humans. Frost, young and full of piss and vinegar is all "Fuck that. They're food, they're cattle, etc." It's Frost's side that wins in the film, as the council's wiped out, as Frost has pretty much determined these older guys have gotten soft, forgotten how powerful a vampire could truly be, and fuck the rules. Who'd scare the shit out of you more - Dragonetti, a vampire you could probably offer stock options to, and he'd let you go; or Frost, who saw you as lunch?

                      This will likely land me in hot water here (and my apologies if I paint with too big of a brush here), but it needs to be pointed out: I'd also argue that it's because the Twilight saga, the Sookie Stackhouse stories, and the Vampire Chronicles, were all written by female authors that folks like Edward Cullen, Bill Compton, Lestat are portrayed as less fiends and more sympathetic, and somewhat heroic, bloodlust aside. Each series is written by women usually for women (check out the stats of the folks who actually buy the books, and I'll show you sizable female majorities). Each character is this "bad boy" who usually finds redemption with a girl who by all rights should be the vampires' next victim. The (often) female fans for those series would eat that shit up, hence the popularity of the books and their spin-offs.

                      To be fair, when male authors write vampire stuff, the emphasis often falls on the old-school themes - Stoker's Dracula, King's Salem's Lot and the Night Flyer, etc.; these vampires are folks who seldom if ever pine for a lost love and are looking at their victims as food first. Dracula had a thing for Mina, true, but that didn't stop him from snacking on Lucy first, right? Also, male authors tend to go for the gore and sex a lot faster than women authors do. Especially the sex part, where with the above mentioned series, the lovemaking is romantic, gentle, and loving. The male authored series don't have time for that stuff - women are objects of desire, be it for sex or for food, and the male authors don't pull their punches on either.

                      I have more to say about this, soon to follow.
                      Last edited by Timothy225; 04-17-2011, 04:48 PM.

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                      • #12
                        For non-emo vamps, see also: Carpenter's Vampires.
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                        • #13
                          I checked, the story is in SQUEE. And the story is called "Eric the vampire".
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                          • #14
                            I really need to check that out.
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                            • #15
                              To address one point Tim raises: The insidious vampire can be prettys cary in & of itself. Casde in point: the Master that shows up and kills the guy leading the slaughter in 30 Days of Night. Keep it quiet, he says, so we can keep preying on these mortals in secret. He was no less vicious than his upstart subordinate. BUt his devious intelligence & cunning, his awful reserve. . . make him perhaps more terrifying. Because just when you're as convinced as you can be that vampires don't exist, he or one like him melts out of the shadows of your bedroom, drainms you dry (after torturing you for awhile), and then burns your house down to destroy the evidence. Repeat as necessary. For eternity.
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