RUMOR CONTROL...THESE ARE THE FACTS

[Ben Thomas]

Boo-urns!

[Captain Russ]

I have no problem with this.

I like they're separating film canon from the comics. Gives me something new AND familiar.

Boo-urns? More like Fuck Yeah!

[B_Metal]

Doesn't bother me either but Nerds gonna nerd the fuck out.

[Anderson]

  Spoiler: WHAT I KNEW 

Hank Pym was always going to be the villain of Ant-Man

  Spoiler: WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW 

Edgar Wright got Michael Douglas for the role.

[Martin]

Niiiiiiiiiiice.

[Abraham Smashington]

Hmms.

[gravedigger]

Really curious how they're going to spin that first spoiler tag.

[Anderson]

Really curious how they're going to spin that first spoiler tag.

  Spoiler: Well..... 

It's the crux of Phase 2 and spills over into Phase 3.


The Marvel Cold War was much like our cold war. Everyone fucked with science and tech to inhuman levels. The only difference was that Iron Man, Captain America and Thor didn't magically appear in our worlds.

Basically, SHIELD has been working on and worked on some fucked up things. Plus, they've been using the Avengers to help a lot of it along.

Creator woes, man vs. machine, what is a human style shit.

[Abraham Smashington]

I'm really confused. I thought Hank was Ant-Man?

[Matt]

Hank is the old Ant-Man. This means that Paul Rudd is the newer guy, Scott Lang.

[Abraham Smashington]

ah ok. I only know Hank.

[Matt]

ah ok. I only know Hank.

[Anderson]

  Spoiler: TINY SMACK A BITCH 

So, between the Marvel press release re-do, Variety and everyone in-between. Everyone is having a shit fit about whether Pym is the villain.

AFAIK, the best parallel would be Peter Coyote in ET. Not necessarily a bad guy, but he wants to stop the main hero by any means.

For our 70s comics fans, if you were a fan of Scott Lang's first appearance...by all accounts, you should love this.

[gravedigger]

  Spoiler: Well..... 

It's the crux of Phase 2 and spills over into Phase 3.


The Marvel Cold War was much like our cold war. Everyone fucked with science and tech to inhuman levels. The only difference was that Iron Man, Captain America and Thor didn't magically appear in our worlds.

Basically, SHIELD has been working on and worked on some fucked up things. Plus, they've been using the Avengers to help a lot of it along.

Creator woes, man vs. machine, what is a human style shit.

  Spoiler: so... 

the theory is that Hank is a villain because he played around with science outside of SHIELD-approved venues? Or maybe he was with SHIELD and didn't agree with their mission/Avengers Intiative and rebelled?

I guess I'm having a hard time reconciling Avengers member hero Hank Pym with Ant-Man movie villain Hank Pym.

Edit: we were posting at the same time. The Coyote comparison makes more sense to me even though I don't know Lang's origin story.

[Anderson]

  Spoiler: so... 

the theory is that Hank is a villain because he played around with science outside of SHIELD-approved venues? Or maybe he was with SHIELD and didn't agree with their mission/Avengers Intiative and rebelled?

I guess I'm having a hard time reconciling Avengers member hero Hank Pym with Ant-Man movie villain Hank Pym.

  Spoiler: We're through the looking glass, people 

At this point, we're dealing in speculation and leaks.


Henry Pym is SHIELD/former SHIELD. He's seen what's been going on with Stark, AIM and SHIELD.

Scott Lang is a burglar who happens upon Pym's shrinking particles and Ant-Man equipment. Lang has to make one last score to save his sickly daughter.

Pym fearing what a stolen super suit like that could do in the wrong hands, begins to employ any means necessary to get the equipment back.

Meanwhile, agents of Hydra, SHIELD and AIM are after Scott and the equipment. All the while, he's just trying to be just enough of a hero to save his kid.