STAR WARS, INDY , HOWARD THE DUCK DEUCE; AND MORE

[gravedigger]

It's where the author/reader is given an avatar in the story. And they're amazing at everything. They may not be the main character, but they're the best/smartest/toughest/strongest character. It went from being a complaint about how characters were written to a complaint how female characters that aren't just love interests/princesses to be rescued. But like, every male fantasy character is an ultimate Mary Sue. I love Kvothe, but ultimate Mary Sue.

Ok. So I understand the term now (thanks!) but I guess I don't see that with Rey. I mean, they show us she's lived in her own for however many years. You don't survive like that on any planet, let alone a desert planet, without figuring out how to keep going. Plus it's clear she's basically starving by way of continually getting screwed by the scrap buyer. That's dumb.

[Abraham Smashington]

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That's real cool. I assumed they just used the same footage from the originals.

[BillyG]

Ok. So I understand the term now (thanks!) but I guess I don't see that with Rey. I mean, they show us she's lived in her own for however many years. You don't survive like that on any planet, let alone a desert planet, without figuring out how to keep going. Plus it's clear she's basically starving by way of continually getting screwed by the scrap buyer. That's dumb.

Rey is not at all a Mary Sue. That's why there's been uproar about it. It's just a derogative term for female characters in power now.

[Timothy225]

1. Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon/Maul in TPM
2. Luke/Vader in TESB & Luke/Vader in ROTJ (tie)
3. Kylo/Rey/Finn in TFA
4. Obi-Wan/Anakin/Yoda/Dooku in AOTC

My rankings - calls 'em like I sees 'em.

[Nathan]

My rankings - calls 'em like I sees 'em.

Pretty legit.

[gravedigger]

Rey is not at all a Mary Sue. That's why there's been uproar about it. It's just a derogative term for female characters in power now.

I feel sad for all the neckbeards scared of strong women. Life would be so boring with a pushover.

[Timothy225]

Pretty legit.

The Luke vs. Vader fights are a tough call for me. Both fights were built up to so much in the original trilogy, especially the final one in ROTJ. They easily surpassed the Obi Wan vs. Vader fight in ANH, but come Phantom Menace, it was all about Obi Wan and Qui Gon vs. Maul. The tech used for that film showed all three using the Force in combat in ways ROTJ and ESB never even dreamed of.

Plus the fight had little things in it I thought were cool. Like Maul picking up a hunk of metal telekinetically, pointing and throwing it towards a door lock in the middle of the fight's beginning, and the fact it took two Jedi to keep a stalemate going with Maul, which showed how much of a badass he was. Until he was cleft in twain by Obi Wan (with Qui Gon's lightsaber, no less. Oh the poetic justice there!).

[Matt]

My only issue with the Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon/Maul fight is with the fact that they're not trying to hit each other. It's really obvious in spots that they're not aiming for each other but are merely making choreographed moves. It's THAT that keeps that fight from being #1 for me, because both Luke/Vader fights look like they're trying to kill each other.

[Abraham Smashington]

1. Obi/Ani in Sith. And yes I know it goes on too long, but Ewan sells it HARD at the end. "YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE"
2.Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon/Maul in TPM
3. Kylo/Rey/Finn in TFA
4.Luke/Vader in TESB & Luke/Vader in ROTJ (tie)
5. Yoda/Emperor in Sith
6.Obi-Wan/Anakin/Yoda/Dooku in AOTC

[Abraham Smashington]

It's hard as balls to watch the old men swing lightsabers at each other in the OT now. I mean, the Obi/Vader fight is BALLS.

[Matt]

That final saber battle in ROTS gets too damned Wile E Coyote for me. It honestly should have been handled like the final sword fight in ROB ROY...close, personal, and intense. That said, Ewan is pretty amazing in it (and Hayden isn't half bad either).

[Matt]

It's hard as balls to watch the old men swing lightsabers at each other in the OT now. I mean, the Obi/Vader fight is BALLS.

That's mainly due to how they were directed. Lucas had them use the sabers as if they had a lot of weight to them (like broadswords or something). In TESB, Kirschner ditched that and made them weightless, opening up the choreography.

[Abraham Smashington]

That final saber battle in ROTS gets too damned Wile E Coyote for me. It honestly should have been handled like the final sword fight in ROB ROY...close, personal, and intense. That said, Ewan is pretty amazing in it (and Hayden isn't half bad either).

Oh for sure. It's just that we've waited YEARS to see that fight and most of it works for me. I wish they would have cut out the lava surfing though. But the stuff indoors was pretty good.

[Abraham Smashington]

That's mainly due to how they were directed. Lucas had them use the sabers as if they had a lot of weight to them (like broadswords or something). In TESB, Kirschner ditched that and made them weightless, opening up the choreography.

Oh I know, but even knowing what they were going for doesn't make it any better. Especially with how they basically retconned all of that with the prequels. I mean, Obi should have been using the force all over that fight.

[Abraham Smashington]