Iggy Horror Thread, Pt2: GND vs. Hostel, et al.

[Abraham Smashington]

I find gore entertaining. Movies that would suck otherwise (Pirhana 3d as a new example) get a free pass due to the over the top gore that is on display. And I was happier than shit watching those people die horrible deaths.

[Matt]

I find gore entertaining. Movies that would suck otherwise (Pirhana 3d as a new example) get a free pass due to the over the top gore that is on display. And I was happier than shit watching those people die horrible deaths.

But that's played for FUN. There's absolutely nothing serious about the gore in a film like that. Again, it's context.

[Abraham Smashington]

Well I'm also super fucking desensitized to pretty much anything, so nothing makes me flinch for the most part. However, "torture flicks" do nothing for me. Either in the "YAY GORE!" sense or the "YAY GOOD HORROR" sense.

[Timothy225]

Still haven't seen Piranha 3d yet, but I'm hoping to rectify that this weekend.

I can relate to Rob's take on gore as well - over-the-top gruesomeness raises such flicks to almost cartoon-like levels. Hell, it's even expected - you go to see a Piranha 3d, you damn well BETTER get some over the top bloodshed. Same as The Expendables and Machete - these aren't deep movies on the human condition or how one's life can be both enhanced and devastated by the power of love. It's Tex Avery on crank, kids!

As for being desensitized, you're young yet, Rob, Eventually, you'll burn out on it, as we all do, then you'll start looking back towards films that cam before it where the gore is used more sparingly and arguably more effectively. And you'll love every moment of it as a fan.

[Abraham Smashington]

What I don't fucking get is how some people allow kids to watch "Saving Private Ryan" but not "Evil Dead 2" (my siblings being those kids)

[Matt]

What I don't fucking get is how some people allow kids to watch "Saving Private Ryan" but not "Evil Dead 2" (my siblings being those kids)

Context.

also, sorry for derailing your thread. I didn't mean to turn it into a TO GORE OR NOT TO GORE debate.

[Abraham Smashington]

horseshit and fucked up parents.

[Abraham Smashington]

I'd rather my kids watch Evil Dead 2 over any fucking war film ANYDAY. War is real. Ash fighting the deadites is not.

[Captain Russ]

There's that tendency in everything these days to make everything realistic that I wish would fuck off and die in a diarrhea and moonshine-fueled fire.

[Timothy225]

Context.

In one. Ryan's gore is pretty authentic, as told by vets who were there at Normandy for the landing. You go to war, that could be you with your face smooshed in. Important life lesson, plus this was based on a historical event. Schools live for that shit, so this gets a pass.

Plus, the chances of reading aloud from the Necronomicon ex Mortis and getting raped by a tree.... well, maybe not so much in Minnesota, but hey... Parents might feel that's a bit over the top, might cause little Stewie to listen to that devil music and join a cult or something.

Russ, I'm in 100% agreement. I want real life, I can look out my window.

[Matt]

There's that tendency in everything these days to make everything realistic that I wish would fuck off and die in a diarrhea and moonshine-fueled fire.

'Re-Animator' and 'From Beyond' get the gore factor exactly right. It's visceral and gross, but it's also FUN as hell.

[Captain Russ]

But that's played for FUN. There's absolutely nothing serious about the gore in a film like that. Again, it's context.

I alone weep for the Paul Scheer stuck in aqualimbo...

[V]

Plus, the chances of reading aloud from the Necronomicon ex Mortis and getting raped by a tree.... well, maybe not so much in Minnesota, but hey... Parents might feel that's a bit over the top, might cause little Stewie to listen to that devil music and join a cult or something.

You mean the narrow-minded, overzealous, suffocating bigotry that masquerades as parenting today... or do you mean the few remaining normal people who let children work things out for themselves? Children are issued curiosity for a reason. If you repress it... then you have no one to blame but yourself for how your child turns out.

When my kids were growing up, the only taboo subject was porn... and my 'whack stack' was well hidden! My kids enjoyed a steady diet of Argento, Fulci, Romero, Hooper... and a fuckton others.

They turned out quite well. I'd like to choke them sometimes for being so hard-headed... but I think I did ok. I won't have to weep for the future so much.

[Matt]

You mean the narrow-minded, overzealous, suffocating bigotry that masquerades as parenting today... or do you mean the few remaining normal people who let children work things out for themselves? Children are issued curiosity for a reason. If you repress it... then you have no one to blame but yourself for how your child turns out.

When my kids were growing up, the only taboo subject was porn... and my 'whack stack' was well hidden! My kids enjoyed a steady diet of Argento, Fulci, Romero, Hooper... and a fuckton others.

They turned out quite well. I'd like to choke them sometimes for being so hard-headed... but I think I did ok. I won't have to weep for the future so much.

But you also respected the intelligence of your kids. You let them figure out what context was, and THAT'S where parents who repress their kids do the greatest disservice (imho). Explore and learn, young ones...come to me if you have any questions and we'll figure out the answer.

[Timothy225]

*parentwhogetsitfist* to Vin!

Real tragedy is most of these psycho parents you mentioned are in my age group and seem to forget what it was like when they were kids. Many of these folks were standing right next to me angling for a shot to see Hellraiser or a Texas Chainsaw Massacre flick on opening night, and won't let their kids watch 'em, even when they hit 17. Really?

This is why I love my folks - they allowed and encouraged my brother and I to be curious, to ask questions, to find our own answers. They'd step in if we wanted to see or do something that wasn't appropriate, and explain to us why they did so. They were PARENTS. Not our best buddies, not our friends, but PARENTS. I'm taking their lesson to heart - my niece will always be allowed to watch old school monster movies at my house, with her Uncle Tim explaining shit to her upon request (I'll wait til she's older before bringing out the Fulci and Argento. Such treasures must be earned, and only when she finishes her Universal and Toho introductions, followed by the entire Hammer catalogue, then on to Carpenter, Hooper, and Romero, etc. Hey I had to do it, she'll have to do it. No free rides!).